Valid explanation to www.narayanaconsciousness.net

 

 Valid explanation to www.narayanaconsciousness.net

Question Mark 

 

Prelude to this paper

I recently received comments on my paper entitled Who is Kalki- Avtaar? The comments came from the members of www.narayanaconsciousness.net. In one of their comment they offered me seven propositions (actually six because the last one was an invitation to visit their website) seeking “Valid Explanations” to them. Therefore, By the Grace and Will of Allah I tender the answers to all their enquiries. Another noteworthy point is that they have not touched to any of my arguments made in “Who is Kalki – Avtaar?” yet they leaped to propose me seven propositions.

 

Note: I have personally not researched this group and their website. So, I cannot write much about them at this instant. In due course of time I may have to study them.

So here are the 7 arguments they commented.

(1)   The Holy Koran says umpteen number of times that Allah is able to do all things. Why then do you doubt that he cannot and does not come in human form?

Thank you for your note. Kindly find your answers to all seven propositions.

(1) In the first place, I doubt whether Allah will/can do all things. Nowhere, does the Quran says that Allah will do everything. The complete and correct understanding to all such related verses is that ALLAH CAN DO ALL THINGS WHICH HE OPTS FOR or ALLAH CAN DO ALL THINGS WHICH HE LIKES TO etc. He would not opt to do anything which is against his majesty or which will seize His divinity. I can give you list of things which Allah CANNOT do, for instance, He cannot be unjust, liar etc. According to your argument I may say (like a lawyer) “Hey! Allah is able to do all things then why can’t He lie, why can’t He be unjust to a party. After all He is an OMNIPOTENT GOD, isn’t He?” Think on this.

(2) Prophet Mohamad (pbuh) went on a journey to heaven on ‘burakah’ and saw Allah seated on a throne through the veils that surrounded him. He found a prayer which is now recited as ‘Khanjil-Arsh’ written on the throne of Allah. Do you deny this?

What is the point of the argument here? If your argument is that Mohammad, peace be upon him, saw Allah sitting on the Throne in a Human form. And secondly, your inquiring me whether I “deny it” or not. Then, yes, I do deny it. Because Mohammad, peace be upon him, has NEVER seen Allah ever in his life keep aside seeing Allah in human form (God forbid). As a matter of fact no(Human being) one has ever seen Almighty God, “NO VISION CAN GRASP HIM but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension yet is acquainted with all things.” (Holy Quran 6:103) Furthermore, mother Ayesha was very stringent on this particular issue, for, according to her honor a person claiming that Mohammad, peace be upon him, has seen Allah is a LIAR:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6.378:

Narrated Masruq:

I said to `Aisha, “O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad SEE his Lord?” Aisha said, “What you have said makes my hair stand onend ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: WHOEVER TELLS YOU THAT MUHAMMAD SAW HIS LORD, is a LIAR.” Then Aisha recited the Verse: ‘No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well−Acquainted with all things.’ (6.103)

(3) Your quotes from Hindu Scriptures seem erudite, but they are not a thorough study. There are many other prophecies which ‘Kalki Avatar’ must fulfill. He must be a person who had gone to Simhala Dweepa (Ceylon) and come back from there to India with children. He must have had his abode on the outskirts of River Tamaraparanee. There are many other prophecies which he must fulfill. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) did not fulfill the prophecies which are mentioned above. These prophecies are mentioned in Kalki-Puranam and Srimad Bhagawatham.

Yes there is a prophecy in scriptures that Kalki would be born in Sambhala. And that is where Muhammad was born, peace be upon him. Sambhala means a place of serenity, peace and security. Now, Mohammad, peace be upon him was born in Makkah, which is also called Dar – ul – Aman which, astonishingly, also means a place of serenity and peace.
(4) The Hindu Scriptures nowhere say that God cannot come in human form. Please don’t quote the words of any religious leader if their thoughts are not in consonance with the revealed scriptures of all religions. They may be sincerely mistaken. The Geetha which is acclaimed to be the essence of the Vedas and which is also called as the fifth veda says that God does come in human form. Refer Geetha Ch 9:11 and 4:7-8.

I would like to draw attention to a couple of points you made in your argument number (4).

  • I should quote from scriptures and not from any “religious leader” because, as you fairly reasoned that their thoughts may not be in “consonance with the revealed scriptures.”  So let me assure you that I would ONLY quote from ‘revealed scriptures’. I could then expect you to concord with those ‘revealed scriptures’.
  • Secondly, you implied the authority of Vedas, for, you wrote, “The Geetha which is acclaimed to be the essence of the VEDAS and which is also called as the FIFTH VEDA”.  So, I would try to quote Vedas for you where ever possible.

 

At a number of Places in authoritative Hindu Scriptures it has been implied that GOD ALMIGHTY CANNOT CONDESCEND TO HUMAN FORM. This fact can be easily deduced from Hindu scriptures if read in conjunction with myriads of verses dispersed in various Hindu scriptures. I will touch a few of them to prove my case.

     It is mentioned in Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 19,

  “Na tasya pratima asti” “There is no likeness of him”.

nainam urdhvam na tiryancam na madhye na parijagrabhat na tasya pratima asti yasya nama mahad yasah” “There is no likeness of him whose name is great glory”.

(The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737 and in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad, part II, page 253)

 

I may safely deduce that God cannot incarnate because if He does then He would walk earth with millions of “LIKENESS” around Him. Millions with same pair of eyes, ears etc.

 

As the Quran also rightly describes this attribute of Allah:

 

“There is nothing whatever like unto Him” (Holy Quran 42:11)

 

Furthermore, contrary to the notion of God (descending) in Human form the Upanishads proclaim that those who “know” him formless (i.e. through Heart and Mind) are successful. Exactly, as the Muslims believe in Him. As we read:

 

In Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 20:

na samdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” “HIS FORM CANNOT BE SEEN, NO ONE SEES HIM WITH THE EYE

nasamdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam. Hrda hrdistham manasa ya enam, evam vidur amrtas te bhavanti

“His form is not to be seen; no one sees him with the eye. Those who through heart and mind know him as abiding in the heart become immortal”.

(The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737 & in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad part II, page 253)

 

Note carefully that God Almighty CANNOT be seen with Eye. A point to ponder here is if God came to earth in Human form then He ought to be perceived through Human Eyes. Nevertheless, the scriptures make it clear that one cannot see Him through Human eyes. That means He did not and cannot (con) descend to earth corporeal.

 

A step further I sincerely fail to fathom how Hindus who appeal so much to Bhagwat Gita 4:7-8 discount Yajurveda 40:8 with equal fervor.

 

[Side remark:- For one more fact, Hindu scholars rate the Vedas under “Shruti” classification of Hindu Canon, however, Bhagwat Gita is classified under “Smriti”. Now, the “Shrutis” are considered to be revealed scriptures from God and the “Smritis” are writings of scholars NOT A REVELATION FROM GOD. “Smritis” are not considered to be of divine origin as with “Shrutis”. Subsequently, the “Shrutis” hold a degree higher in authority over the “Smritis”. And the Vedas is a part of “Shruti” canon. On the flip, we all know that Bhagwath Gita was penned by Maharishi Vyaas].

 

Now here is what “revealed” word of God has to say:

 

“He hath attained unto the bright, BODILESS, woundless, sinewless, the pure which evil hath not pierced. Far-sighted wise, encompassing, he self existent hath prescribed aims as propriety demands unto the everlasting years”

   (Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph I.H. Griffith page 538)

 

(5) The words of Surah Iklaas has confounded many muslims. This Surah describes the Absolute Aspect of Allah. But Allah also has a relative level which he assumes to communicate with human beings. The ‘Miharaj’ flight of Nabi and what he saw is known to all muslims. Was Nabi telling a lie when he says that he saw Allah seated on a throne?

I can read at least two serious allegations on Islam and Muslims (may be in sincere ignorance).

Firstly, I would like to learn from you how “the words of Surah Iklaas has confounded many muslims”.

Secondly, Nabi Mohammad, peace be upon him, was not lying about “Meraj”. But it is the people who claim that Mohammad ,peace be upon him, saw Allah are LIARS:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6.378:

Narrated Masruq:

I said to `Aisha, “O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad SEE his Lord?” Aisha said, “What you have said makes my hair stand on end! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: WHOEVER TELLS YOU THAT MUHAMMAD SAW HIS LORD, is a LIAR.” Then Aisha recited the Verse: ‘No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well−Acquainted with all things.’ (6.103)

 

(6) The Koran categorically says that none is worthy of worship except Allah. This is perfectly true. We accept this. But does not the same Koran say that Allah asked the Angels to worship Adam? Because Iblis demurred through pride was he not banished from Allah’s presence? What is the explanation? If no one should be worshipped except Allah, why was Adam worshipped by the Angels. This seems to go against the theory of One God. Can you offer a valid explanation.

Let me begin with a benevolent thanks to your acceptance, for you wrote, “The Koran categorically says that none is worthy of worship except Allah. This is perfectly true. We accept this.” After avowing this True monotheistic concept you again retarded to Polytheism when you tried to reason that Angels were mandated to WORSHIP Adam, peace be upon him; proving that there are more than One who are worthy of worship, for instance, Allah and Adam in this case! So, it would be only fair for you to reconsider “Categorical Koranic Monotheism” when I would prove you, inshallah, that Allah never asked Angels to worship Adam, peace be upon him. Let me remind you once again that you accept the truthfulness of Koranic monotheism i.e. none is worthy of worship except Allah, nevertheless, you have reservations for Adam was WORSHIPPED by Angels under the command of Allah. That was what you wrote. So kindly reconsider your faith if my explanation helps you in it.

Valid Explanation

The problem with majority of non-muslims is that when they try to understand Islam they seek materials, books etc written by orientalists or critics or Islamophoboes or Hate mongers. I cannot understand why sincere seekers like you cannot find books written by Muslim scholars, or Qur’an translated by Muslim Scholars. ONE SHOULD TRY TO LEARN ISLAM FROM MUSLIMS (Scholars) NOT FROM ORIENTALISTS. Because there is not a translation on Earth by any Muslim Scholar who has translated Qur’anic verse to mean that Allah ordained Angels to worship Adam, peace be upon him. ADAM WAS NEVER WORSHIPPED BY ANY ANGEL! Here are a few MUSLIM translations. Pay care whether Allah ordains Angels to worship Adam or otherwise:

Qur’an 2:34

YUSUF ALI:And behold We said to the angels: “Bow down to Adam“; and they bowed down not so Iblis he refused and was haughty he was of those who reject Faith.  

ASAD: And when We told angels, “Prostrate yourselves before Adam!” – they all prostrated themselves, save Iblis, who refused and gloried in his arrogance: and thus he became one of those who deny the truth.

As is evident from the above quotations that Allah never decreed worship of Adam on Angels. He ordered His angels to BOW or PROSTRATE to Adam. There was/is a difference between BOWing and WORSHIPPING. This BOWING of angels to Adam was bowing to show respect – respect to Allah’s best creation – The Humans – whose Father happens to be Adam, peace be upon him – The first Human. Once again the bowing commanded to angels was a bowing to show respect not worship. As Malik rightly writes in his commentary:

When We ordered the angels: “Prostrate before Adam IN RESPECT, “they all prostrated except Iblees(Shaitan) who refused in his arrogance and became a disbeliever.

If you are contemplating to respond that is not bowing and prostration postures of worship in Islam, then, I would say yes. BUT, they became postures of worship only in the ministry of Mohammad, peace be upon him. During the ministry of earlier prophets prostration was considered to be a part of showing respect. For instance, Jacob (Yaqob), peace be upon him, prostrated to his son Joseph (Yusuf), peace be upon him along with his (other) sons:

“And he raised his parents high on the throne (of dignity) AND THEY FELL DOWN IN PROSTRATION (all) before him…” (Holy Qur’an 12:100)

Yusuf Ali writes in his commentary that this prostration offered by Jacob, peace be upon him, to Joseph, peace be upon him was a token of respect NOT worship:

“Certainly metaphorically: probably also literally…To show his high respect for his parents, Joseph made them sit on a throne of dignity. On the other hand, his parents and his brothers, all performed the ceremony of prostration before Joseph in recognition of his supreme rank in Egypt under the Pharaoh…The ceremony of prostration of paying respect might have been allowed at the time of previous prophets, but with the advent of the complete and final revelation prostration before anyone other than Allah is a grave sin strictly prohibited.”
(7) Please kindly visit the web-site: http://www.narayanaconsciousness.net and go to the section that deals with Scriptural Proofs regarding Kalki Avatar. You will be greatly edified.
Thanks for your comment and wish sincerely that you find out the whole truth before it is too late. The Kyamat is coming soon.

Well yes Qayamat is near and therefore I have, for you, the best admonition I could find. Hope you pay heed to it.

Dire Warning

Say: “Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? Or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? And who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?” They will soon say “Allah.” Say “Will ye not then show piety (to Him)?”

 

Such is Allah your real Cherisher and Sustainer: apart from Truth what (remains) but error? How then are ye turned

away?

 

Thus is the Word of thy Lord proved true against those who rebel: verily they will not believe.

 

Say: “Of your `partners’ can any originate creation and repeat it?” Say: “It is Allah Who originates Creation and

repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?”

 

Say: “Of your `partners’ is there any that can give any guidance towards Truth?” Say: “It is Allah Who gives

guidance towards Truth. Is then He Who gives guidance to Truth more worthy to be followed or he who finds not

guidance (himself) unless he is guided? What then is the matter with you? How judge ye?”

 

But most of them follow nothing but fancy: truly fancy can be of no avail against Truth. Verily Allah is well aware of all that they do. (Holy Qur’an 10:31-36)

 

AND

 

Behold! verily to Allah belong all creatures in the heavens and on earth. What do they follow who worship as His

“partners” other than Allah? They follow nothing but fancy and they do nothing but lie. (Holy Qur’an 10:66)

 

Emphasis wherever found is mine.

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